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PatrickB's avatar

Not sure that I buy the empathy thing. Consider environmentalism and animal rights. Compared to other races, whites are much more concerned with those things. Like, PETA is super white. Blacks enjoy pit bulls and dog fights. Asians also enjoy dogs, as snacks. Maybe dogs are special. But you can also look at environmentalism more broadly. Whites love hiking, whales. I mean, Snow WHITE’s superpower was talking to animals. Are white people empathizing with animals and nature? If so, interspecies empathy would seem to bridge a wider gap than interracial empathy. Or maybe, whites are relating to animals in some other way than empathy. If whites don’t have empathy for animals, whatever they experience is at least somewhat reasonably effective in being empathy-like.

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I thought more about this, and I think I agree with most of your argument in the post. I come from an aggressively diverse place in every possible way and I know that it clearly drives people to self-segregate into their religious, racial, kinship bubbles, to whatever extent possible. You don’t even need incentives tbh, you just need to take away the taboos. Most well-adjusted adults are intuitively aware of the line past which they cannot muster any empathy no matter what their ideological beliefs are. Children mix a lot more freely though and should be allowed to(but not forced to) in children-only spaces of schools and sports venues. In general, I can get behind anything that removes restrictions on people’s free choices- that’s my belief in the moral intuitions of everyday ordinary people being mostly sound ig. The part about pushing people in a certain direction by subverting their incentives is a bit less palatable, but it honestly wont even be needed here, I think.

I wondered about the effects of childhood association and exposure to different kinds of people because it is clearly a confounding variable in measuring the differences in empathy. Genetic distance is obviously a continuous spectrum and we evolved in an environment with quite a few “cousin” human species that filled some of the gap between us and other animal species. There has to be a clear threshold of genetic distance past which you lose empathy for people, and my guess is that this threshold is actually quite malleable in your childhood based on your environmental conditions, but it is more or less fixed for adults.

One more thing to consider, is that you don’t need to completely shield people from their out-groups. In fact, it seems to give people an implicit memento mori to be more keenly aware of the empathy distinction. If you take it too far and shield people from any reminders of their out-groups they just become decadent and complacent and start thinking in stupid universalisms. To that end, a small amount of “contamination” and contact with out-group communities is necessary.

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